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		<title>Comment on The Other Woman (or Man) &#8211; A Paradoxical Experience by Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 03:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anytime, 167/174 - good luck with it all. 

I&#039;ve found this site useful at various stages in my affair, including now, the aftermath. Sometimes I wonder why I keep coming back here, especially to read things like &quot;you people have no integrity and you never will etc.&quot; I wonder, frankly, if I&#039;m being a little masochistic. But in a way, I think I come back to those comments in an effort to overcome a deep and longstanding, underlying belief about myself, that actually is precisely in alignment with those harsh judgments. I come back to hear those words in an effort to develop a real conviction of their absurdity and their pointlessness. I totally understand why people would say those harsh things, especially if they&#039;ve been hurt by affairs, but I kind of suspect that an overload of exactly that kind of judgment early in life is what has led, in part, to my own predisposition to deny myself intimacy, as a kind of punishment, because I don&#039;t think I need or deserve love, and then cave desperately when I find it, usually in some situation where I wasn&#039;t looking for it (i.e., in the kind of relationships that turn into affairs).

Those of you who are or who have been &quot;other women,&quot; I&#039;m wondering, did a good portion of you start out your lives &quot;on the wrong side of the tracks,&quot; emotionally? Were you told you were selfish, bad, etc., from very early on? Because what strikes me about these horrible judgments (you&#039;re pathetic, you&#039;re sick, you have no understanding of right and wrong), is that this is what I already thought of myself -- really, truly, and deeply -- by the time I was five years old! Do you know how many things I have done in my life to try to prove that that&#039;s not true? And how vulnerable and needy that effort has left me? How vulnerable to illicit relationships in particular?? And then to situations where I seem to be proving that those beliefs about myself are true after all?? I think I&#039;m starting to understand that it&#039;s pointless to try to defend myself in the face of those views, whether I&#039;m 5 or 45, and whether the judgment comes from myself or others. If it was wrong to have that belief when I was a young child, it&#039;s just as wrong now, no matter what I have or haven&#039;t done in my life.

There are many factors that predispose people to affairs -- maybe some of you have a pattern like mine and can relate to what I&#039;m saying. So, for those of you who want to condemn, go ahead. I&#039;m not looking for your acceptance or understanding anymore. I&#039;ll never get it, and that&#039;s fine. But having said that, there&#039;s a bit of a void. I&#039;m still not sure what it means to look to myself for acceptance or understanding, or what difference that might make to my life. 

But I do know one thing. Sometimes when I look at us all, whether we&#039;re pointing fingers at one another, gushing with positive or negative emotion, trying to defend ourselves, etc. (and I&#039;ve done all of that on here and more), I kind of see why we&#039;re having such problems in our relationships, and I feel a little sorry for us all. I think most of us try pretty hard, and are hurt, frustrated, and confused at not getting what we want, need, or think we deserve, and we don&#039;t know what to try next. I like it when we help one another. It seems redemptive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anytime, 167/174 &#8211; good luck with it all. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found this site useful at various stages in my affair, including now, the aftermath. Sometimes I wonder why I keep coming back here, especially to read things like &#8220;you people have no integrity and you never will etc.&#8221; I wonder, frankly, if I&#8217;m being a little masochistic. But in a way, I think I come back to those comments in an effort to overcome a deep and longstanding, underlying belief about myself, that actually is precisely in alignment with those harsh judgments. I come back to hear those words in an effort to develop a real conviction of their absurdity and their pointlessness. I totally understand why people would say those harsh things, especially if they&#8217;ve been hurt by affairs, but I kind of suspect that an overload of exactly that kind of judgment early in life is what has led, in part, to my own predisposition to deny myself intimacy, as a kind of punishment, because I don&#8217;t think I need or deserve love, and then cave desperately when I find it, usually in some situation where I wasn&#8217;t looking for it (i.e., in the kind of relationships that turn into affairs).</p>
<p>Those of you who are or who have been &#8220;other women,&#8221; I&#8217;m wondering, did a good portion of you start out your lives &#8220;on the wrong side of the tracks,&#8221; emotionally? Were you told you were selfish, bad, etc., from very early on? Because what strikes me about these horrible judgments (you&#8217;re pathetic, you&#8217;re sick, you have no understanding of right and wrong), is that this is what I already thought of myself &#8212; really, truly, and deeply &#8212; by the time I was five years old! Do you know how many things I have done in my life to try to prove that that&#8217;s not true? And how vulnerable and needy that effort has left me? How vulnerable to illicit relationships in particular?? And then to situations where I seem to be proving that those beliefs about myself are true after all?? I think I&#8217;m starting to understand that it&#8217;s pointless to try to defend myself in the face of those views, whether I&#8217;m 5 or 45, and whether the judgment comes from myself or others. If it was wrong to have that belief when I was a young child, it&#8217;s just as wrong now, no matter what I have or haven&#8217;t done in my life.</p>
<p>There are many factors that predispose people to affairs &#8212; maybe some of you have a pattern like mine and can relate to what I&#8217;m saying. So, for those of you who want to condemn, go ahead. I&#8217;m not looking for your acceptance or understanding anymore. I&#8217;ll never get it, and that&#8217;s fine. But having said that, there&#8217;s a bit of a void. I&#8217;m still not sure what it means to look to myself for acceptance or understanding, or what difference that might make to my life. </p>
<p>But I do know one thing. Sometimes when I look at us all, whether we&#8217;re pointing fingers at one another, gushing with positive or negative emotion, trying to defend ourselves, etc. (and I&#8217;ve done all of that on here and more), I kind of see why we&#8217;re having such problems in our relationships, and I feel a little sorry for us all. I think most of us try pretty hard, and are hurt, frustrated, and confused at not getting what we want, need, or think we deserve, and we don&#8217;t know what to try next. I like it when we help one another. It seems redemptive.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Other Woman (or Man) &#8211; A Paradoxical Experience by Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://aboutaffairs.com/?p=23&#038;cpage=4#comment-723</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#167 here - thanks so much #168 for taking the time to reply. I feel like I am now at a crossroads in my relationship and am only just beginning to understand that I need to take control after &#039;following&#039; for so long. Your questions will really help me to work out where &#039;I&#039; am in all of this, and what my next step should be. Seems too easy to lose yourself in the relationship and run your life totally around the other person, whether it is convenient for you at the time or not, but I&#039;m beginning to realise that it might not have to be that way. So it&#039;s now time to take a good look at myself and my situation and your comments will be a great starting point - seriously they are much appreciated!! thanks again #168</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#167 here &#8211; thanks so much #168 for taking the time to reply. I feel like I am now at a crossroads in my relationship and am only just beginning to understand that I need to take control after &#8216;following&#8217; for so long. Your questions will really help me to work out where &#8216;I&#8217; am in all of this, and what my next step should be. Seems too easy to lose yourself in the relationship and run your life totally around the other person, whether it is convenient for you at the time or not, but I&#8217;m beginning to realise that it might not have to be that way. So it&#8217;s now time to take a good look at myself and my situation and your comments will be a great starting point &#8211; seriously they are much appreciated!! thanks again #168</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Other Woman (or Man) &#8211; A Paradoxical Experience by Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 20:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#172, and others who make such comments (and I genuinely welcome you to the conversation), I don&#039;t think the point is whether the cheated-on woman (or anyone else) has the right to be judgmental. Of course they have the right to be judgmental. I just don&#039;t think that those judgments do much good in helping people to act from a better place (and they usually know that there IS a better place within themselves from which to be/act). I can&#039;t see the good in denying anybody their integrity, even if their current behaviour isn&#039;t a shining instance of it. I think it works better to appeal to people&#039;s faith and integrity. Think of it: a good spanking will, in the short term, make any child stop doing something bad or annoying, but in the long run, it won&#039;t produce anything but damage and, by extension, even worse behaviour. It&#039;s not that different in adulthood. You don&#039;t have to condone inappropriate or harmful behaviour to show compassion or understanding, or to defend a principle that you consider non-negotiable. It just takes a little effort to enlarge your heart and your mind. We can all afford to do that, can&#039;t we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#172, and others who make such comments (and I genuinely welcome you to the conversation), I don&#8217;t think the point is whether the cheated-on woman (or anyone else) has the right to be judgmental. Of course they have the right to be judgmental. I just don&#8217;t think that those judgments do much good in helping people to act from a better place (and they usually know that there IS a better place within themselves from which to be/act). I can&#8217;t see the good in denying anybody their integrity, even if their current behaviour isn&#8217;t a shining instance of it. I think it works better to appeal to people&#8217;s faith and integrity. Think of it: a good spanking will, in the short term, make any child stop doing something bad or annoying, but in the long run, it won&#8217;t produce anything but damage and, by extension, even worse behaviour. It&#8217;s not that different in adulthood. You don&#8217;t have to condone inappropriate or harmful behaviour to show compassion or understanding, or to defend a principle that you consider non-negotiable. It just takes a little effort to enlarge your heart and your mind. We can all afford to do that, can&#8217;t we?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Can Relationships That Start as Affairs Succeed? by Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://aboutaffairs.com/?p=22&#038;cpage=2#comment-721</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 17:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My ex had an affair, I found out approximately 4 months later, and up until then it was mostly an emotional affair. I can&#039;t help but shake my head when many of these people who posted comments about how wonderfu/super/fantastic the sex was with their cheating partners. Well, Duh, a little rubber Dingy looks like a luxurious yacht when you&#039;ve been treading water for years. Cheating simplay means that you have bailed out on your partner even when your married partner is still struggling to keep the boat afloat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My ex had an affair, I found out approximately 4 months later, and up until then it was mostly an emotional affair. I can&#8217;t help but shake my head when many of these people who posted comments about how wonderfu/super/fantastic the sex was with their cheating partners. Well, Duh, a little rubber Dingy looks like a luxurious yacht when you&#8217;ve been treading water for years. Cheating simplay means that you have bailed out on your partner even when your married partner is still struggling to keep the boat afloat.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Can Relationships That Start as Affairs Succeed? by Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 16:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What constitutes marriage is a vow! You sign a contract before God &amp; everyone. It&#039;s just that simple! Adultery is ALWAYS WRONG. No matter the circumstances! Don&#039;t understand you people. What is wrong with this world we live in! You&#039;re on here wanting pity for committing adultery?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What constitutes marriage is a vow! You sign a contract before God &amp; everyone. It&#8217;s just that simple! Adultery is ALWAYS WRONG. No matter the circumstances! Don&#8217;t understand you people. What is wrong with this world we live in! You&#8217;re on here wanting pity for committing adultery?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 16:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#171 Any cheated on woman does have the right to judge you. What is wrong, is WRONG. A good person does not cheat period! You had every opportunity to guide this man with good advice to repair his marriage. You&#039;re in denial if you think a good person can damage a family. You don&#039;t know if this man is telling you the truth at all. Is he honest with his own wife. Stay away from him &amp; encourage him to get help. Do the right thing! How can you remain friends with his wife! You are a very sick woman!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#171 Any cheated on woman does have the right to judge you. What is wrong, is WRONG. A good person does not cheat period! You had every opportunity to guide this man with good advice to repair his marriage. You&#8217;re in denial if you think a good person can damage a family. You don&#8217;t know if this man is telling you the truth at all. Is he honest with his own wife. Stay away from him &amp; encourage him to get help. Do the right thing! How can you remain friends with his wife! You are a very sick woman!</p>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 03:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am reading all of this and it sounds more and more like my life.......I have been involved with a married man for two years..the problem...besides the fact that he is married...I am 15 yrs older than he is...he has been a friend of the family for over 30 yrs...my late husband was his boss...and I am friends with his wife....what could be worse?  I love him...I really do and he is using me I know that, because his wife is wealthy...he has a good life and she doesn&#039;t provide what I do...the SEX....someone shoot me now....I am a loving, compassionate good person...and I know what I am doing is wrong...why can&#039;t someone love me for the person I am.....I know what I have to do...its pain-full......very pain-full.And don&#039;t any of you out there judge anyone..you do not know what you would really do in this situation..only God judges and FORGIVES.....do not get involved in a situation like this...its not worth it.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am reading all of this and it sounds more and more like my life&#8230;&#8230;.I have been involved with a married man for two years..the problem&#8230;besides the fact that he is married&#8230;I am 15 yrs older than he is&#8230;he has been a friend of the family for over 30 yrs&#8230;my late husband was his boss&#8230;and I am friends with his wife&#8230;.what could be worse?  I love him&#8230;I really do and he is using me I know that, because his wife is wealthy&#8230;he has a good life and she doesn&#8217;t provide what I do&#8230;the SEX&#8230;.someone shoot me now&#8230;.I am a loving, compassionate good person&#8230;and I know what I am doing is wrong&#8230;why can&#8217;t someone love me for the person I am&#8230;..I know what I have to do&#8230;its pain-full&#8230;&#8230;very pain-full.And don&#8217;t any of you out there judge anyone..you do not know what you would really do in this situation..only God judges and FORGIVES&#8230;..do not get involved in a situation like this&#8230;its not worth it&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>Comment on Should I Tell My Partner About The Affair? by Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#17 I didn&#039;t know that morality changed with the times. Isn&#039;t that just lowering the bar! It&#039;s never right to cheat no matter what the circumstances. The vows of marriage are an actual contract. Why shouldn&#039;t we respect the union? I can&#039;t believe how many people try to justify away their horrible pathetic character! Stay out of other peoples marriages. You never know - they may actually have a chance without YOU in the middle!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#17 I didn&#8217;t know that morality changed with the times. Isn&#8217;t that just lowering the bar! It&#8217;s never right to cheat no matter what the circumstances. The vows of marriage are an actual contract. Why shouldn&#8217;t we respect the union? I can&#8217;t believe how many people try to justify away their horrible pathetic character! Stay out of other peoples marriages. You never know &#8211; they may actually have a chance without YOU in the middle!</p>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#13 Didn&#039;t know anyone could be so smart! Doesn&#039;t look as though your success rate is to great. You have a huge hole in your character. You want to talk statistics? Look at the percentage rate of success spouses have with their lovers when they leave their marriage partner for them. Look at the statistics of how this affects kids. It&#039;s easier to fix a marriage than to start new with someone else. Did you know that? As far as guilt - You should be riddled with it! The other woman may fall short in many areas but believe me - SHE IS NOT THE WEAK ONE - YOU &amp; AND HER HUSBAND ARE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#13 Didn&#8217;t know anyone could be so smart! Doesn&#8217;t look as though your success rate is to great. You have a huge hole in your character. You want to talk statistics? Look at the percentage rate of success spouses have with their lovers when they leave their marriage partner for them. Look at the statistics of how this affects kids. It&#8217;s easier to fix a marriage than to start new with someone else. Did you know that? As far as guilt &#8211; You should be riddled with it! The other woman may fall short in many areas but believe me &#8211; SHE IS NOT THE WEAK ONE &#8211; YOU &amp; AND HER HUSBAND ARE!</p>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#31 What fantasy are you living in? That&#039;s how you&#039;re going to justify your actions? You actually know nothing but what this MARRIED man is telling you. Live with him awhile &amp; see how it goes &amp; get back with me in 3 yrs.! #127 Injured parties are stupid wives? What does that make you? #96 You are religeous? Anyone who &quot;decides&quot; to cheat has serious character flaws. They have no idea the tragedy they are creating for wives, children, friends, parents, &amp; businesses. No concience is involved whatsoever. Amen #114 &amp; #32 You&#039;re right on. Divorce shouldn&#039;t be no-fault. This is a vow, a contract that has been destroyed. Ask all of the children of the injured spouse what they are feeling because of what dad did to mom. It lasts a lifetime. You home wrecking women have these married men for their little fantasy excursions. You have no way of knowing the truth about these men. If you would butt out these marriages would stand a far better chance of being saved than for your fantasy affairs to be successful. Where are the morals of you people? Where is the character &amp; integrity? What is this saying to our kids? You need help probably more so that the married couples. Total destruction &amp; devestation is all that you are creating. I almost feel sorry for you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#31 What fantasy are you living in? That&#8217;s how you&#8217;re going to justify your actions? You actually know nothing but what this MARRIED man is telling you. Live with him awhile &amp; see how it goes &amp; get back with me in 3 yrs.! #127 Injured parties are stupid wives? What does that make you? #96 You are religeous? Anyone who &#8220;decides&#8221; to cheat has serious character flaws. They have no idea the tragedy they are creating for wives, children, friends, parents, &amp; businesses. No concience is involved whatsoever. Amen #114 &amp; #32 You&#8217;re right on. Divorce shouldn&#8217;t be no-fault. This is a vow, a contract that has been destroyed. Ask all of the children of the injured spouse what they are feeling because of what dad did to mom. It lasts a lifetime. You home wrecking women have these married men for their little fantasy excursions. You have no way of knowing the truth about these men. If you would butt out these marriages would stand a far better chance of being saved than for your fantasy affairs to be successful. Where are the morals of you people? Where is the character &amp; integrity? What is this saying to our kids? You need help probably more so that the married couples. Total destruction &amp; devestation is all that you are creating. I almost feel sorry for you!</p>
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