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		<title>Comment on Should I Tell My Partner About The Affair? by Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 03:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had been friends with a coworker for many years who worked in a different area of the country, but she was married.  I recognized that she had a crush on me, and at odd times would get messages that were oddly intimate (such as on a vacation with her husband and his family, telling me she was shopping for a gift for me).  I am leary of the self-conscious, self-centered types that don&#039;t get enough &quot;attention&quot; at home, and I did not want to be a surrogate for a husband.  One summer, she comes to me crying, really distraught about her life.  I kept my guard up.  A few months after that, she tells me how great she thinks I am, and in the next few weeks, we started hinting at feelings for each other.  However, I made it clear that she had to take care of her life before any of this could be a possibility.

By the fall, she did, in fact, move out from her house, not to my city, but a couple hours away from where she was living.  She also began going out of her way to see me whenever she could on her business trips, and some physical intimacy started.  We spoke and sent messages almost every day.  I look back and remember what I though at the time, that she had taken time to evaluate her life and move on.  In hindsight, though, I must have been an idiot.  

I learned later that while this was going on with me, her husband was coming to visit her, and she was frequently making and arduos trek back to his house to keep house for him.  Bizarre.  I found this out when she told me she decided to move back home.  I was shaken up, but I moved on.  Within a few months, I had an nice, fun girfriend.  End of year 1.

That July, crises 2 comes out and she leaves her husband again, almost literally lands on my doorstep.  At the time, we were sort of irrestistible to each other in really basic ways.  She finds temporary housing close to me, commits (the second time) that she is moving on, and we end up seeing each other every day.  To be honest, it was one of the happiest times in my life.  

When the time of &quot;reckoning&quot; came for her to get her stuff out once and for all, she disappears again.  I learn that he has no idea that she was intending to leave him again; he thought that she had come to my city for business and needed to stay a few months (yes, he actually believed this apparently).  That story that she was splitting up may have been her intention, or it could have been a lie for me.

The next time I saw her, she explains to me that she is all confused about her sexuality because she had a miscarriage and has an STD that she did not know how she caught.  As if the other wackiness were not enough, the latter was the loudest warning of &quot;insane&quot; to me.  Not that she caught and STD, but that she could not keep track of how it happened.  Yikes.

My feelings limped along about how this person I had such a nice connection with could be such a mess.  About a 1.5 months after that big revelation, she treated me with total animosity because she thought she was pregnant (I guess by her husband), but then found out she wasn&#039;t, and set about for the next few months to &quot;win&quot; me back again.  I told her as gently as I could that that ship was setting sail, and something major that I could not even fathom was going to have to happen.  Nevertheless, she persisted, and recently rented an apartment in my city.  A year lease.  Her husband still thinks it is all job related.   However, she did tell me that there is nothing between us anymore.  Yet . . . she still moved here and lied to her husband about why.     

I am not personally hurt by her &quot;rejection&quot;, considering I was getting on with things.  I am most offended that I was dragged into a world of insanity and lies while I was trying to be careful.  We had long conversations about what her actions meant, the proper way to handle our feelings.  People get separated and have to wait for legal reasons.  That is a fact that you have to deal with.  On top of this, a lot of my time was wasted.  The omissions and lies merely prolonged something that was doomed, and it was futile.  I also missed out on some very nice people.

I am dealing with this with pure disgust and hatred.  Not the kind that keeps you up at night, but what you might feel for terrorists and war criminals.  I honestly can&#039;t tell who was cheated on.  The one person I do think about is her husband.  She&#039;s already told me that she is never going to tell him, but I think somebody really needs to educate someone what is that clueless.  She&#039;ll probably do this again.  I feel like writing him a letter not out of spite, but the poor guy is living with a person who is confused, dishonest, and frankly probably in need of psychiatric help.  On the other hand, maybe someone so oblivious should be left to his fate.  Any advice people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had been friends with a coworker for many years who worked in a different area of the country, but she was married.  I recognized that she had a crush on me, and at odd times would get messages that were oddly intimate (such as on a vacation with her husband and his family, telling me she was shopping for a gift for me).  I am leary of the self-conscious, self-centered types that don&#8217;t get enough &#8220;attention&#8221; at home, and I did not want to be a surrogate for a husband.  One summer, she comes to me crying, really distraught about her life.  I kept my guard up.  A few months after that, she tells me how great she thinks I am, and in the next few weeks, we started hinting at feelings for each other.  However, I made it clear that she had to take care of her life before any of this could be a possibility.</p>
<p>By the fall, she did, in fact, move out from her house, not to my city, but a couple hours away from where she was living.  She also began going out of her way to see me whenever she could on her business trips, and some physical intimacy started.  We spoke and sent messages almost every day.  I look back and remember what I though at the time, that she had taken time to evaluate her life and move on.  In hindsight, though, I must have been an idiot.  </p>
<p>I learned later that while this was going on with me, her husband was coming to visit her, and she was frequently making and arduos trek back to his house to keep house for him.  Bizarre.  I found this out when she told me she decided to move back home.  I was shaken up, but I moved on.  Within a few months, I had an nice, fun girfriend.  End of year 1.</p>
<p>That July, crises 2 comes out and she leaves her husband again, almost literally lands on my doorstep.  At the time, we were sort of irrestistible to each other in really basic ways.  She finds temporary housing close to me, commits (the second time) that she is moving on, and we end up seeing each other every day.  To be honest, it was one of the happiest times in my life.  </p>
<p>When the time of &#8220;reckoning&#8221; came for her to get her stuff out once and for all, she disappears again.  I learn that he has no idea that she was intending to leave him again; he thought that she had come to my city for business and needed to stay a few months (yes, he actually believed this apparently).  That story that she was splitting up may have been her intention, or it could have been a lie for me.</p>
<p>The next time I saw her, she explains to me that she is all confused about her sexuality because she had a miscarriage and has an STD that she did not know how she caught.  As if the other wackiness were not enough, the latter was the loudest warning of &#8220;insane&#8221; to me.  Not that she caught and STD, but that she could not keep track of how it happened.  Yikes.</p>
<p>My feelings limped along about how this person I had such a nice connection with could be such a mess.  About a 1.5 months after that big revelation, she treated me with total animosity because she thought she was pregnant (I guess by her husband), but then found out she wasn&#8217;t, and set about for the next few months to &#8220;win&#8221; me back again.  I told her as gently as I could that that ship was setting sail, and something major that I could not even fathom was going to have to happen.  Nevertheless, she persisted, and recently rented an apartment in my city.  A year lease.  Her husband still thinks it is all job related.   However, she did tell me that there is nothing between us anymore.  Yet . . . she still moved here and lied to her husband about why.     </p>
<p>I am not personally hurt by her &#8220;rejection&#8221;, considering I was getting on with things.  I am most offended that I was dragged into a world of insanity and lies while I was trying to be careful.  We had long conversations about what her actions meant, the proper way to handle our feelings.  People get separated and have to wait for legal reasons.  That is a fact that you have to deal with.  On top of this, a lot of my time was wasted.  The omissions and lies merely prolonged something that was doomed, and it was futile.  I also missed out on some very nice people.</p>
<p>I am dealing with this with pure disgust and hatred.  Not the kind that keeps you up at night, but what you might feel for terrorists and war criminals.  I honestly can&#8217;t tell who was cheated on.  The one person I do think about is her husband.  She&#8217;s already told me that she is never going to tell him, but I think somebody really needs to educate someone what is that clueless.  She&#8217;ll probably do this again.  I feel like writing him a letter not out of spite, but the poor guy is living with a person who is confused, dishonest, and frankly probably in need of psychiatric help.  On the other hand, maybe someone so oblivious should be left to his fate.  Any advice people?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Can Relationships That Start as Affairs Succeed? by Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 03:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To #310, If you want a name for your wayward wife&#039;s personality, Google &quot;Romantic Sociopath&quot;. Best to you friend. Alfredo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To #310, If you want a name for your wayward wife&#8217;s personality, Google &#8220;Romantic Sociopath&#8221;. Best to you friend. Alfredo</p>
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		<title>Comment on Torn Between Two Lovers (or a lover and a partner) by Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 20:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a bf ive been with.for 5 1/2 yrs. We were suppose to get married, have kids the whole enchilada. However 10 months ago my good friend of 15 yrs which of whom ive always liked in a romantic way due to our common interests and passions... We began a slow growing affair. It took months for him to actually tell me how he really felt for me and when he did my heart exploded with happiness. He views me as his bestfriend, lover, companion and one who.he would marry. I feel the same. My bf and I have been.through lots of stuff. I still love him deeply and thats no lie. However our relationship is full of heartships and saddnes at times. I know if I.concentrate on my bf we could be ok . But I love my bestfriend too. I almost feel him and I are made in a sense for eachother. My bf is broken from my two feet out the door and one arm in actions. I love him and the thought of life without him sickens me. I know my bestfriend would help get me through this no doubt, but is it worth the risk? My heart cant even answer this for me. I know me I know when I can make life changes but I cant here with either one :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a bf ive been with.for 5 1/2 yrs. We were suppose to get married, have kids the whole enchilada. However 10 months ago my good friend of 15 yrs which of whom ive always liked in a romantic way due to our common interests and passions&#8230; We began a slow growing affair. It took months for him to actually tell me how he really felt for me and when he did my heart exploded with happiness. He views me as his bestfriend, lover, companion and one who.he would marry. I feel the same. My bf and I have been.through lots of stuff. I still love him deeply and thats no lie. However our relationship is full of heartships and saddnes at times. I know if I.concentrate on my bf we could be ok . But I love my bestfriend too. I almost feel him and I are made in a sense for eachother. My bf is broken from my two feet out the door and one arm in actions. I love him and the thought of life without him sickens me. I know my bestfriend would help get me through this no doubt, but is it worth the risk? My heart cant even answer this for me. I know me I know when I can make life changes but I cant here with either one <img src='http://aboutaffairs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Can Relationships That Start as Affairs Succeed? by Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 20:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to 310 - SO true. I have been working diligently to separate myself from my ex and he is still holding back on things and I need it to ALL be done. Try getting angry it helps a lot. Exercise, play with your kids, don&#039;t be afraid to accept an invitation to get out. For 12 years I did not accept invitations to friends gatherings because he was not going to be able to go or I would need to be there when he got home from work to make sure he had his dinner the house cleaned clothes done everything. I wont do that again. I love taking care of my partner but I was blind to how he was never taking care of me. Yep get mad it works really good.  Take care and writing things helps too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to 310 &#8211; SO true. I have been working diligently to separate myself from my ex and he is still holding back on things and I need it to ALL be done. Try getting angry it helps a lot. Exercise, play with your kids, don&#8217;t be afraid to accept an invitation to get out. For 12 years I did not accept invitations to friends gatherings because he was not going to be able to go or I would need to be there when he got home from work to make sure he had his dinner the house cleaned clothes done everything. I wont do that again. I love taking care of my partner but I was blind to how he was never taking care of me. Yep get mad it works really good.  Take care and writing things helps too.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Can Relationships That Start as Affairs Succeed? by Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 15:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you #311, I appreciate you sharing your expericence and advice. I helps to know that my situation is not unique. I especially like your comment regarding &#039;YOu only fill her ego if you sit around and mope about her&quot; which i have done for way too long. I am slowly moving towards acceptance but as you know it takes time and is not a linear process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you #311, I appreciate you sharing your expericence and advice. I helps to know that my situation is not unique. I especially like your comment regarding &#8216;YOu only fill her ego if you sit around and mope about her&#8221; which i have done for way too long. I am slowly moving towards acceptance but as you know it takes time and is not a linear process.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Can Relationships That Start as Affairs Succeed? by Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 01:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to 310. Wow this could be me. I can sympathize with you in every way. My situation is only different because my children are grown and out of the house. I had a partner who could be your wife&#039;s twin brother. The sociopathic narcissistic arrogance fits my ex to the tee. He blames everyone for his unhappiness and then bails on them, wife, family or friends if they say too much to him. He will never be able to find true love because he only loves himself. The woman mine ended up with befriended me and I guess I was being bated for quite a while. It has been really tough but I am getting through it. If I can offer some advice focus your attention on your boys. The biggest role model in a childs life is the same sex parent so they need you. Don&#039;t let them grow up and fall in love with the mother role model they had. A selfish, transparent, egotistical sociopath with no conscience. I watched for years how this man functioned and say how people reacted to him and I just kind of looked away. I finally got it when his family found out about what he did and it just spilled out all over. They are furious at how he threw away a wonderful life without batting an eye. Again he continues to hurt those he says he loves and then blames them for their faults. I communicated with him about my needs very little cause I only needed very little. I got crucified when the credit card bill got to 5 figures and he blamed me for  a few thousand of purchases for our home but his spending 190,000 on timeshares we could not even use never crossed his mind. It was all my fault. Anyway we are both better off. Now is the time where our hearts are challenged. It is hard but we will be OK. I too wonder if at my age 51 I will ever find that one person who will look at me and say how lucky they are. People told him how lucky he was to have me but he could have cared less. Try not to waste your time on thinking about what could have been or what you could have done. It is not about you. We are not perfect in anyway but we are able to face our faults and try to come to terms with them and make them better. Your wife and my husband will always be lonely. They may have someone superficial to fill a space but they will never be truly happy. You have a chance now to find a relationship that you and your children can thrive in. The way to get back at her is to go on and be happy. Hang out with friends do what ever you can to surround yourself with good honest people. Those are the one&#039;s who will be there when you need them. YOu only fill her ego if you sit around and mope about her. Let her see you and your sons thriving. That will kill her. My best to you and hope that you will heal. I am taking it day by day. I have separated myself from him in every way and it only took me two weeks. The only thing I have left to deal with is my car. It is in his name and he won&#039;t sign off on it. I don&#039;t know if this is his last attempt to keep a connection not sure. He would have no reason to take the car or not sign it over. I have asked him three times and he won&#039;t respond so I am moving on and not worrying about the longer he holds on the longer he has to make the payments and pay for insurance. Wake up everyday with a smile that you are here for yourself and your children. Smile and think about how blessed you are to have them and you all have a wonderful future awaiting you. TIme does heal.  Lots of love to you my friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to 310. Wow this could be me. I can sympathize with you in every way. My situation is only different because my children are grown and out of the house. I had a partner who could be your wife&#8217;s twin brother. The sociopathic narcissistic arrogance fits my ex to the tee. He blames everyone for his unhappiness and then bails on them, wife, family or friends if they say too much to him. He will never be able to find true love because he only loves himself. The woman mine ended up with befriended me and I guess I was being bated for quite a while. It has been really tough but I am getting through it. If I can offer some advice focus your attention on your boys. The biggest role model in a childs life is the same sex parent so they need you. Don&#8217;t let them grow up and fall in love with the mother role model they had. A selfish, transparent, egotistical sociopath with no conscience. I watched for years how this man functioned and say how people reacted to him and I just kind of looked away. I finally got it when his family found out about what he did and it just spilled out all over. They are furious at how he threw away a wonderful life without batting an eye. Again he continues to hurt those he says he loves and then blames them for their faults. I communicated with him about my needs very little cause I only needed very little. I got crucified when the credit card bill got to 5 figures and he blamed me for  a few thousand of purchases for our home but his spending 190,000 on timeshares we could not even use never crossed his mind. It was all my fault. Anyway we are both better off. Now is the time where our hearts are challenged. It is hard but we will be OK. I too wonder if at my age 51 I will ever find that one person who will look at me and say how lucky they are. People told him how lucky he was to have me but he could have cared less. Try not to waste your time on thinking about what could have been or what you could have done. It is not about you. We are not perfect in anyway but we are able to face our faults and try to come to terms with them and make them better. Your wife and my husband will always be lonely. They may have someone superficial to fill a space but they will never be truly happy. You have a chance now to find a relationship that you and your children can thrive in. The way to get back at her is to go on and be happy. Hang out with friends do what ever you can to surround yourself with good honest people. Those are the one&#8217;s who will be there when you need them. YOu only fill her ego if you sit around and mope about her. Let her see you and your sons thriving. That will kill her. My best to you and hope that you will heal. I am taking it day by day. I have separated myself from him in every way and it only took me two weeks. The only thing I have left to deal with is my car. It is in his name and he won&#8217;t sign off on it. I don&#8217;t know if this is his last attempt to keep a connection not sure. He would have no reason to take the car or not sign it over. I have asked him three times and he won&#8217;t respond so I am moving on and not worrying about the longer he holds on the longer he has to make the payments and pay for insurance. Wake up everyday with a smile that you are here for yourself and your children. Smile and think about how blessed you are to have them and you all have a wonderful future awaiting you. TIme does heal.  Lots of love to you my friend.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Can Relationships That Start as Affairs Succeed? by Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 23:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liz, I was clean and sober and was a faithful, honest, good husband and father at the start of our marriage and for many years after. I worked on myself and grew and changed, while you remained the same superficial, hurt, emotionally shut-down, unable to deal with conflict, resentful, abandoned and broken little girl, trying to control everyone and everything because you were too afraid to look honestly at yourself and take responsibility for YOURSELF AND YOUR PART IN THE SUCCESS OR FAILURE OF OUR MARRIAGE . TO THE OUTSIDE WORLD YOU PROJECT THAT YOU ARE HAPPY, HAVE LOTS OF FRIENDS AND ARE SELF-CONFIDENT BUT INSIDE YOU KNOW THAT IT’S FAKE AND IS JUST A COVER UP FOR FEAR OF EXPOSING YOUR REAL SELF AND YOUR INSECURITIES. I worked hard at being honest and admitted to myself, family, friends and support groups  that I had plenty of issues; lack of self-confidence, low self-esteem, alcoholism, codependency, anxiety, etc. but I was willing to admit my faults and work on changing and growing spiritually and emotionally so our marriage would work and bring us and our family happiness, unlike you. I loved you; I shared my thoughts and feelings with you, and give you my respect and trust. You were never willing or capable of opening up and sharing your thoughts or feelings, because of your severe abandonment, trust and intimacy issues which are directly related to your controlling behavior, narcissistic tendencies and financial irresponsibility.
 Control freaks and narcissistic women:
 •Have difficulty trusting others.
 •Have a profound fear of having their flaws exposed.
 •Cannot tolerate feeling vulnerable (and, therefore, can’t handle intimacy).
 •Are riddled with anxiety, fear, insecurity and anger.   
“Facing her fears and working through her issues would mean admitting she actually has issues, which would mean holding herself accountable and not blaming others. It makes much more sense (to her and remember, she’s the only one who matters) to deny and ignore her problems and push and poke at you because you’re the one with the problem, not her.”
Yes, eventually I started drinking again, because of my disappointment and frustration with our relationship and marriage, foolishly thinking that once we were married and committed to each other you would feel safe and secure enough to let your guard down and be capable of sharing your real self with me. I guess you would have to know your real self in order to share it with me, instead of putting on an act, trying to appear to be the perfect mother, wife, worker and friend which was so exhausting that you couldn’t sustain it after so many years. I’m sure it’s easier to blame me for breaking your heart and your falling out of love with me, because of me doing the things I did, once I started drinking again, rather than taking responsibility for YOUR PART IN OUR MARRIAGE/RELATIONSHIP issues and trying to fix them and help keep your marriage and family together. Deep down inside you know you sabotaged our marriage, wanting to take the easy way out, because your needs are like a bottomless pit that can never be filled by anybody no matter how much love, money, sex or material possessions you manipulate out of them.  I guess once you sucked the life out of me, it was time to move on to your next victim.
Yes, I have been unemployed for over two years now and you resent it, although you never contributed or saved a dime to help pay our bills or expenses during the years I was working and you forget about the fact that you didn’t work for five years when the boys were young. Yes, I still have anger issues about your deceit and dishonesty, putting us in credit card debt for $80,000 , and forcing us to take out a 2nd mortgage for another $60,000.  
I am sure things will be different with you and Bill Wo@@s@y, your new boyfriend, I am sure once he sees the real Liz behind your façade/act, which may take a while, because you are very adept at projecting the phony, loving, caring, smiling and fun, Liz, he will bail on you, unless his issues are as bad or worse than yours or he just stays around for the sex. Based on the fact that your relationship with him was and is based on lies and deceit, “to protect me” and your public image I’m sure everything will work out fine in the long run, NOT. Really it’s to protect your imagined public image, hoping that you are perceived as a good, honest and caring person hoping everyone in town will believe that you’re not capable of being such a cheating, selfish, narcissistic liar, who’s irresponsible deceit, choices and behavior will continue to hurt and haunt YOU AND your own family (your sons and husband) FOR YEARS TO COME, and turning your back on your friends who “judge” you. Oh that’s right you now realize they are not true friends because they are telling you the truth, which you don’t want to hear, that being involved with someone else while you’re married is wrong and that it hurts your kids, which you just don’t seem to get because you are so self-absorbed in your own little world of your affair. Yeah right, you were and are one of the most judgmental people in town. You have abandoned your own father, mother and brothers and sisters (13+/-), having very little contact with them because they are so “messed up”. You have turned your back on my father, mother and brothers who loved you, supported and respected you. I doubt they have much respect for you now. Who’s next, your own sons? You take great care of their physical needs, but when it comes to your own free time you have chosen to abandon them too. Your excuse is your always so “busy”, but in reality it’s just the way you keep running from the truth, never staying still long enough for it to catch up with you.  
Hey, but to quote you “life is too short to waste being unhappy”. Waste on what? The people that love you and care about you? To waste your efforts on your SAVING YOUR marriage and family commitments and have the courage to work on them until they bring you happiness and real love? You can run but you can’t hide. You are no different than the people you judge as being less than yourself, weak, or stupid. You can only fool yourself for so long, thinking you can walk away from your past and start over fresh and find true happiness. When have you ever really been happy? If you think once were divorced and you have your own place to live and you can bring your relationship with Bill Wo@@s@y out in the open that you will be happy, your fooling yourself. The ONLY times you were ever happy were based on superficial circumstances not on any actual personal growth or responsibility on your part. The failed relationships and negative patterns in your life will keep repeating until you realize that it’s your beliefs, attitudes and actions that are the problem that needs fixing, and not other people, but for now anyway, enjoy your fantasy, until one day the reality and regret of the hurt, pain and damage of what you did to the people that loved you and cared most about you, becomes something that you will find hard to live with.
 
 “How Do Affairs Affect Children?”   
“I have talked about the trancelike state of consciousness that one inhabits during an affair. In this altered state links between actions and consequences dissolve; in the euphoric bubble you inhabit you believe you can pursue an illicit relationship and no one will be hurt because you believe that you can control everything and so prevent this from happening. However, this is a grandiose assumption that more and more requires you to lie to, manipulate and avoid intimate contact with your family, sometimes with irrevocable results. “
“Preadolescent and adolescent children: The older a child is, the more apt he or she is to get drawn into the conflict surrounding the affair by one or both parents. They may be asked to keep secrets and/or expected to chose sides. Asking a child, overtly or covertly, to take a side is like asking a child to lose that parent. This always has severe consequences. Keeping secrets from one or both parents can create a terrible guilt and sense of self as destructive.  
Adolescents continue to develop their capacity for abstract thinking. They are highly aware that they are preparing to enter the adult world and therefore questions of values become paramount. They are extremely sensitive to hypocrisy; when a parent’s actions are exposed as opposed to his or her stated values that parent falls off a pedestal. And when a parent falls off of the pedestal it changes the child’s whole conception of who their family is and thus, their sense of who they are. Identity and moral development are impacted negatively. Frequently, up until this happened, there was an unconscious assumption that one behaves with integrity as a matter of course. Suddenly, the very people who have ingrained this in you have demonstrated this is not the case.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liz, I was clean and sober and was a faithful, honest, good husband and father at the start of our marriage and for many years after. I worked on myself and grew and changed, while you remained the same superficial, hurt, emotionally shut-down, unable to deal with conflict, resentful, abandoned and broken little girl, trying to control everyone and everything because you were too afraid to look honestly at yourself and take responsibility for YOURSELF AND YOUR PART IN THE SUCCESS OR FAILURE OF OUR MARRIAGE . TO THE OUTSIDE WORLD YOU PROJECT THAT YOU ARE HAPPY, HAVE LOTS OF FRIENDS AND ARE SELF-CONFIDENT BUT INSIDE YOU KNOW THAT IT’S FAKE AND IS JUST A COVER UP FOR FEAR OF EXPOSING YOUR REAL SELF AND YOUR INSECURITIES. I worked hard at being honest and admitted to myself, family, friends and support groups  that I had plenty of issues; lack of self-confidence, low self-esteem, alcoholism, codependency, anxiety, etc. but I was willing to admit my faults and work on changing and growing spiritually and emotionally so our marriage would work and bring us and our family happiness, unlike you. I loved you; I shared my thoughts and feelings with you, and give you my respect and trust. You were never willing or capable of opening up and sharing your thoughts or feelings, because of your severe abandonment, trust and intimacy issues which are directly related to your controlling behavior, narcissistic tendencies and financial irresponsibility.<br />
 Control freaks and narcissistic women:<br />
 •Have difficulty trusting others.<br />
 •Have a profound fear of having their flaws exposed.<br />
 •Cannot tolerate feeling vulnerable (and, therefore, can’t handle intimacy).<br />
 •Are riddled with anxiety, fear, insecurity and anger.<br />
“Facing her fears and working through her issues would mean admitting she actually has issues, which would mean holding herself accountable and not blaming others. It makes much more sense (to her and remember, she’s the only one who matters) to deny and ignore her problems and push and poke at you because you’re the one with the problem, not her.”<br />
Yes, eventually I started drinking again, because of my disappointment and frustration with our relationship and marriage, foolishly thinking that once we were married and committed to each other you would feel safe and secure enough to let your guard down and be capable of sharing your real self with me. I guess you would have to know your real self in order to share it with me, instead of putting on an act, trying to appear to be the perfect mother, wife, worker and friend which was so exhausting that you couldn’t sustain it after so many years. I’m sure it’s easier to blame me for breaking your heart and your falling out of love with me, because of me doing the things I did, once I started drinking again, rather than taking responsibility for YOUR PART IN OUR MARRIAGE/RELATIONSHIP issues and trying to fix them and help keep your marriage and family together. Deep down inside you know you sabotaged our marriage, wanting to take the easy way out, because your needs are like a bottomless pit that can never be filled by anybody no matter how much love, money, sex or material possessions you manipulate out of them.  I guess once you sucked the life out of me, it was time to move on to your next victim.<br />
Yes, I have been unemployed for over two years now and you resent it, although you never contributed or saved a dime to help pay our bills or expenses during the years I was working and you forget about the fact that you didn’t work for five years when the boys were young. Yes, I still have anger issues about your deceit and dishonesty, putting us in credit card debt for $80,000 , and forcing us to take out a 2nd mortgage for another $60,000.<br />
I am sure things will be different with you and Bill Wo@@s@y, your new boyfriend, I am sure once he sees the real Liz behind your façade/act, which may take a while, because you are very adept at projecting the phony, loving, caring, smiling and fun, Liz, he will bail on you, unless his issues are as bad or worse than yours or he just stays around for the sex. Based on the fact that your relationship with him was and is based on lies and deceit, “to protect me” and your public image I’m sure everything will work out fine in the long run, NOT. Really it’s to protect your imagined public image, hoping that you are perceived as a good, honest and caring person hoping everyone in town will believe that you’re not capable of being such a cheating, selfish, narcissistic liar, who’s irresponsible deceit, choices and behavior will continue to hurt and haunt YOU AND your own family (your sons and husband) FOR YEARS TO COME, and turning your back on your friends who “judge” you. Oh that’s right you now realize they are not true friends because they are telling you the truth, which you don’t want to hear, that being involved with someone else while you’re married is wrong and that it hurts your kids, which you just don’t seem to get because you are so self-absorbed in your own little world of your affair. Yeah right, you were and are one of the most judgmental people in town. You have abandoned your own father, mother and brothers and sisters (13+/-), having very little contact with them because they are so “messed up”. You have turned your back on my father, mother and brothers who loved you, supported and respected you. I doubt they have much respect for you now. Who’s next, your own sons? You take great care of their physical needs, but when it comes to your own free time you have chosen to abandon them too. Your excuse is your always so “busy”, but in reality it’s just the way you keep running from the truth, never staying still long enough for it to catch up with you.<br />
Hey, but to quote you “life is too short to waste being unhappy”. Waste on what? The people that love you and care about you? To waste your efforts on your SAVING YOUR marriage and family commitments and have the courage to work on them until they bring you happiness and real love? You can run but you can’t hide. You are no different than the people you judge as being less than yourself, weak, or stupid. You can only fool yourself for so long, thinking you can walk away from your past and start over fresh and find true happiness. When have you ever really been happy? If you think once were divorced and you have your own place to live and you can bring your relationship with Bill Wo@@s@y out in the open that you will be happy, your fooling yourself. The ONLY times you were ever happy were based on superficial circumstances not on any actual personal growth or responsibility on your part. The failed relationships and negative patterns in your life will keep repeating until you realize that it’s your beliefs, attitudes and actions that are the problem that needs fixing, and not other people, but for now anyway, enjoy your fantasy, until one day the reality and regret of the hurt, pain and damage of what you did to the people that loved you and cared most about you, becomes something that you will find hard to live with.</p>
<p> “How Do Affairs Affect Children?”<br />
“I have talked about the trancelike state of consciousness that one inhabits during an affair. In this altered state links between actions and consequences dissolve; in the euphoric bubble you inhabit you believe you can pursue an illicit relationship and no one will be hurt because you believe that you can control everything and so prevent this from happening. However, this is a grandiose assumption that more and more requires you to lie to, manipulate and avoid intimate contact with your family, sometimes with irrevocable results. “<br />
“Preadolescent and adolescent children: The older a child is, the more apt he or she is to get drawn into the conflict surrounding the affair by one or both parents. They may be asked to keep secrets and/or expected to chose sides. Asking a child, overtly or covertly, to take a side is like asking a child to lose that parent. This always has severe consequences. Keeping secrets from one or both parents can create a terrible guilt and sense of self as destructive.<br />
Adolescents continue to develop their capacity for abstract thinking. They are highly aware that they are preparing to enter the adult world and therefore questions of values become paramount. They are extremely sensitive to hypocrisy; when a parent’s actions are exposed as opposed to his or her stated values that parent falls off a pedestal. And when a parent falls off of the pedestal it changes the child’s whole conception of who their family is and thus, their sense of who they are. Identity and moral development are impacted negatively. Frequently, up until this happened, there was an unconscious assumption that one behaves with integrity as a matter of course. Suddenly, the very people who have ingrained this in you have demonstrated this is not the case.”</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 22:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>308 - No he was never cruel there was just nothing. We had gone to therapy about 4-5 yrs ago and talked about how we needed to make sure we told each other what was needed so we would know. I always told him I wanted his attention (no PDF just a kiss/hug) I also told him we needed to get out more. Do things. Anyway... I think a lot of his problem is he is coming to the end of his career and when it is over its over. He has another part time job that keeps his busy one to two days a week but we thought that would be perfect for retirement. I just remember all the times I had to save him from ruining his reputation (over drinking) and have to come up with excuses for him. I don&#039;t know why I did that. His family is not talking to him because as his sister put it.. He has had a problem being a liar for many many years. I have not crossed family lines and spoken badly about him I won&#039;t do that. You know what my biggest issue is? I hate the idea that he and the other woman are talking about me. She was our friend and she befriended me a lot. I have not seen her in about 6 months but they had the opportunity to see each other while at work. She is older than I long stringy greasy hair overweight BUT she is a high powered attorney. Maybe he thinks she will help him move up the ladder. I don&#039;t know. It;s ok I know what kind of person I am and I did nothing wrong. I had a major very rare heart attack last year and he told me he almost lost the most important person in his life. FYI I am 5&#039;7&quot; 118 lbs. I eat right, used to exercise a lot don&#039;t do too much now I have no history of heart disease me or my family. Everyone tells me how young I look im 51 look about 38-40 ????? SO what he is thinking I don&#039;t know. He is sociopathic though he has no conscience. He does not care who he hurts and when he does he has no feelings about it. He can talk himself into believing everyone else is responsible for all the wrong in his life he has not once stepped up and said I am sorry and I am responsible. Major EGO...... Oh well he will be alone in every way. I just hope the next woman are not as dumb as I was but if they are I would like to meet them. It would just be nice to shake hands with someone who is dumber than me. I believed in him every word. I will be OK but it is hard because I am not the type to call everyone and tell them how I was wronged and I don&#039;t want my kids to know but they have some idea they have seen me home too much. Thanks for talking to me I would love more advice on how to get over this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>308 &#8211; No he was never cruel there was just nothing. We had gone to therapy about 4-5 yrs ago and talked about how we needed to make sure we told each other what was needed so we would know. I always told him I wanted his attention (no PDF just a kiss/hug) I also told him we needed to get out more. Do things. Anyway&#8230; I think a lot of his problem is he is coming to the end of his career and when it is over its over. He has another part time job that keeps his busy one to two days a week but we thought that would be perfect for retirement. I just remember all the times I had to save him from ruining his reputation (over drinking) and have to come up with excuses for him. I don&#8217;t know why I did that. His family is not talking to him because as his sister put it.. He has had a problem being a liar for many many years. I have not crossed family lines and spoken badly about him I won&#8217;t do that. You know what my biggest issue is? I hate the idea that he and the other woman are talking about me. She was our friend and she befriended me a lot. I have not seen her in about 6 months but they had the opportunity to see each other while at work. She is older than I long stringy greasy hair overweight BUT she is a high powered attorney. Maybe he thinks she will help him move up the ladder. I don&#8217;t know. It;s ok I know what kind of person I am and I did nothing wrong. I had a major very rare heart attack last year and he told me he almost lost the most important person in his life. FYI I am 5&#8242;7&#8243; 118 lbs. I eat right, used to exercise a lot don&#8217;t do too much now I have no history of heart disease me or my family. Everyone tells me how young I look im 51 look about 38-40 ????? SO what he is thinking I don&#8217;t know. He is sociopathic though he has no conscience. He does not care who he hurts and when he does he has no feelings about it. He can talk himself into believing everyone else is responsible for all the wrong in his life he has not once stepped up and said I am sorry and I am responsible. Major EGO&#8230;&#8230; Oh well he will be alone in every way. I just hope the next woman are not as dumb as I was but if they are I would like to meet them. It would just be nice to shake hands with someone who is dumber than me. I believed in him every word. I will be OK but it is hard because I am not the type to call everyone and tell them how I was wronged and I don&#8217;t want my kids to know but they have some idea they have seen me home too much. Thanks for talking to me I would love more advice on how to get over this.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 17:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#306...Sounds just like my husband.  Only...I am not staying.  Did you experience extreme cruelty towards you and your family?  I agree that they are sociopathic.  My husband fits the profile to a &quot;T&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#306&#8230;Sounds just like my husband.  Only&#8230;I am not staying.  Did you experience extreme cruelty towards you and your family?  I agree that they are sociopathic.  My husband fits the profile to a &#8220;T&#8221;!</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 05:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The story of the woman married for 19 years is similar to my own.  In fact, in February when she wrote her comment, my husband and I were organising a trip to Italy for our 20th wedding anniversary.  Since his business was going well, we were also looking around for a new house in a more upscale neighbourhood.  He bought me a diamond bracelet for Christmas, whisked me off for a lavish weekend away from the kids in January.  As usual, I received numerous texts from him about how he loved me, wanted to kiss my neck when he came home from work, was thinking of me.  There was no outward sign that anything was wrong.

Something felt strange, however.  A second sense, I guess.  One night in early March this reached a pinnacle: I just couldn&#039;t sleep. I went to read on the sofa and heard the ping of a text being received.  I looked at his phone and my world came crashing down.

It was pretty obvious from the text exchange that he was having an affair. I knew of the woman but had never met her.  I actually never worried about her as a rival because she is rather large (fat!) and wears tight dresses in animal prints.  My husband prefers more refined style.  She is also married with three young children, ages two, four, and six. 

When I read her text to him, all the pieces fell into place--the odd sense I had here and there of things being &#039;off&#039;.  I didn&#039;t immediately confront him, however.  He&#039;s the kind of man who denies and denies until the evidence is indisputable.  He would merely insist that the text was a stupid joke.  Or he would delete it and claim I had misread it.  

Instead, I sent the woman a text from my phone that said: &quot;It appears from recent electronic communication that you have an inappropriate relationship with my husband.  In my world, it&#039;s always very sad when married people cheat, especially when there are children involved.  You most hurt the very people you claim to most love. PS  The only thing you and my husband truly know about each other is that you&#039;re both capable of the worst kind of betrayal.&quot;

The next day, I heard nothing.  This silence was exact confirmation of the affair.  I mean, if you woke up in the morning to a text accusing you of an affair you were in fact innocent of, you would immediately do something to clear up the matter.  Your good reputation depends upon not being thought of as the kind of person who has illicit relationships. So her silence was damning.

I confronted my husband, who was immediately shameful (but not really remorseful or apologetic, which is an important distinction).  This was his second affair. I forgave him ten years ago for something similar and said he would never again have such a chance at forgiveness from me. That if he went down that road ever again, the marriage would be over.  And that it was up to him to build trust and learn how to value the good things in his life. I am standing by those words.

That confrontation was very emotional and strained, but I meant what I said. I sent him packing.  Later, I received this text from the other woman: &quot;It is gratifying that you are finally getting what you deserve after all you have done to divide us.  Evil has an new name...Jacqueline... and karma is a bigger bitch than you could every be. I will enjoy watching you reap what you have sown.  Be assured patience is a virtue we are well-versed in.........xxxx&quot;

I found this to be threatening and menacing.  Frankly, it terrified me.  And none of it made any sense.  How was I evil?  I wasn&#039;t having an affair.  I wasn&#039;t lying or cheating.  I had forgiven him.  How could I have done anything to divide them when I only just learned there was something to divide?  What awful things have I sown for karma to be a bitch to me?  Of course, it was just crazy-making.  Blame the victim of what you are in fact guilty of...

The difference between us is striking.  I wrote a text to her in the middle of the night consumed with emotion when I had just learned that my marriage was over, and yet I still managed the height of civility in my manner, words and tone..  And she, who was in the wrong in every way, responded without compassion, humanity, remorse, care, or insight.  After I calmed down, I realised that she must be a psychopath.  But still, how he could have chosen to become involved with her is just flabbergasting.  

Because I protected him for ten years, never breathing a word about the first affair, and he never a valued my protection, I was determined to be honest about the reasons we are divorcing now.  The kids (ages 12, 17, 19) know about the affair and each has been devastated in turn.  But I think it was the wisest course in our circumstances to tell them.  The magnitude of the betrayal is just too much.  He wanted to approach the end of the marriage on equal ground, but that is putting a huge burden on me and letting him off.  Because I am more in pain and more emotional, I look nuts without the truth being known.  Once it is known, everything falls into perspective...

Also, it is important to note my husband has been diagnosed as having Manipulative Narcissistic Personalty Disorder--every detail fits like a glove!  I think that not being honest with the kids subjects them more to his manipulations as well as to his continued deceptions.  At least now there is a label and his behaviours can be explained by a diagnosis.  It&#039;s not me, it&#039;s him.  It&#039;s not the children, it&#039;s their father.

It is hard for the kids, however, which is why I am looking into sites like this one.  But an affair is all about lies and I think that to cover up lies with more lies is not good.  I did that once to no avail.  I am trying to be as compassionate as possible when dealing with the kids.  But I welcome all suggestions and advice.

PS My daughters and I are going to Italy without him.  On my anniversary (30 May), we will do something special--in a positive spirit, nothing about ransacking the previous twenty years, but about affirming the next twenty--not exactly what we envisioned when we made the plans for the trip, but not too bad either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The story of the woman married for 19 years is similar to my own.  In fact, in February when she wrote her comment, my husband and I were organising a trip to Italy for our 20th wedding anniversary.  Since his business was going well, we were also looking around for a new house in a more upscale neighbourhood.  He bought me a diamond bracelet for Christmas, whisked me off for a lavish weekend away from the kids in January.  As usual, I received numerous texts from him about how he loved me, wanted to kiss my neck when he came home from work, was thinking of me.  There was no outward sign that anything was wrong.</p>
<p>Something felt strange, however.  A second sense, I guess.  One night in early March this reached a pinnacle: I just couldn&#8217;t sleep. I went to read on the sofa and heard the ping of a text being received.  I looked at his phone and my world came crashing down.</p>
<p>It was pretty obvious from the text exchange that he was having an affair. I knew of the woman but had never met her.  I actually never worried about her as a rival because she is rather large (fat!) and wears tight dresses in animal prints.  My husband prefers more refined style.  She is also married with three young children, ages two, four, and six. </p>
<p>When I read her text to him, all the pieces fell into place&#8211;the odd sense I had here and there of things being &#8216;off&#8217;.  I didn&#8217;t immediately confront him, however.  He&#8217;s the kind of man who denies and denies until the evidence is indisputable.  He would merely insist that the text was a stupid joke.  Or he would delete it and claim I had misread it.  </p>
<p>Instead, I sent the woman a text from my phone that said: &#8220;It appears from recent electronic communication that you have an inappropriate relationship with my husband.  In my world, it&#8217;s always very sad when married people cheat, especially when there are children involved.  You most hurt the very people you claim to most love. PS  The only thing you and my husband truly know about each other is that you&#8217;re both capable of the worst kind of betrayal.&#8221;</p>
<p>The next day, I heard nothing.  This silence was exact confirmation of the affair.  I mean, if you woke up in the morning to a text accusing you of an affair you were in fact innocent of, you would immediately do something to clear up the matter.  Your good reputation depends upon not being thought of as the kind of person who has illicit relationships. So her silence was damning.</p>
<p>I confronted my husband, who was immediately shameful (but not really remorseful or apologetic, which is an important distinction).  This was his second affair. I forgave him ten years ago for something similar and said he would never again have such a chance at forgiveness from me. That if he went down that road ever again, the marriage would be over.  And that it was up to him to build trust and learn how to value the good things in his life. I am standing by those words.</p>
<p>That confrontation was very emotional and strained, but I meant what I said. I sent him packing.  Later, I received this text from the other woman: &#8220;It is gratifying that you are finally getting what you deserve after all you have done to divide us.  Evil has an new name&#8230;Jacqueline&#8230; and karma is a bigger bitch than you could every be. I will enjoy watching you reap what you have sown.  Be assured patience is a virtue we are well-versed in&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;xxxx&#8221;</p>
<p>I found this to be threatening and menacing.  Frankly, it terrified me.  And none of it made any sense.  How was I evil?  I wasn&#8217;t having an affair.  I wasn&#8217;t lying or cheating.  I had forgiven him.  How could I have done anything to divide them when I only just learned there was something to divide?  What awful things have I sown for karma to be a bitch to me?  Of course, it was just crazy-making.  Blame the victim of what you are in fact guilty of&#8230;</p>
<p>The difference between us is striking.  I wrote a text to her in the middle of the night consumed with emotion when I had just learned that my marriage was over, and yet I still managed the height of civility in my manner, words and tone..  And she, who was in the wrong in every way, responded without compassion, humanity, remorse, care, or insight.  After I calmed down, I realised that she must be a psychopath.  But still, how he could have chosen to become involved with her is just flabbergasting.  </p>
<p>Because I protected him for ten years, never breathing a word about the first affair, and he never a valued my protection, I was determined to be honest about the reasons we are divorcing now.  The kids (ages 12, 17, 19) know about the affair and each has been devastated in turn.  But I think it was the wisest course in our circumstances to tell them.  The magnitude of the betrayal is just too much.  He wanted to approach the end of the marriage on equal ground, but that is putting a huge burden on me and letting him off.  Because I am more in pain and more emotional, I look nuts without the truth being known.  Once it is known, everything falls into perspective&#8230;</p>
<p>Also, it is important to note my husband has been diagnosed as having Manipulative Narcissistic Personalty Disorder&#8211;every detail fits like a glove!  I think that not being honest with the kids subjects them more to his manipulations as well as to his continued deceptions.  At least now there is a label and his behaviours can be explained by a diagnosis.  It&#8217;s not me, it&#8217;s him.  It&#8217;s not the children, it&#8217;s their father.</p>
<p>It is hard for the kids, however, which is why I am looking into sites like this one.  But an affair is all about lies and I think that to cover up lies with more lies is not good.  I did that once to no avail.  I am trying to be as compassionate as possible when dealing with the kids.  But I welcome all suggestions and advice.</p>
<p>PS My daughters and I are going to Italy without him.  On my anniversary (30 May), we will do something special&#8211;in a positive spirit, nothing about ransacking the previous twenty years, but about affirming the next twenty&#8211;not exactly what we envisioned when we made the plans for the trip, but not too bad either.</p>
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